if you go way back in history for joe biden that campaign ended. but in the early going in the spring and summer that year, he had a reputation for being a powerful performer for performing well that summer. but you know take that away. there was a lot of unfairness. he was a strong communicator and strong debater. >> look, folks, i know we all don't have access to governor romney's accountant. i thought last night when he said i would like to introduce my accountant to that. i would love to have his accountant. but look, we understand, someone ends up paying for all of this. >> crystal, joe biden has the touch with that sort of thing. he does and that is funny. and that helps. that is always helpful and the other thing that i would note from this performance in 2008 and also from this speech is how loyal he is. nothing is about him. it is about the president and the president's plans and an attack on governor romney. and at that time in 2008. i noticed that palin focused on her record and her family. it was me centered and i can see paul ryan walk